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Posted by world_champion on May 21 2008, 20:41 PM GMT I think that the WICB should just pick a 20 year old spinner and keep him in the team for at least 8-9 years and after that everybody would see the potential in them so they would automaticly come in without problems Posted by Yawd_Man on May 21 2008, 13:03 PM GMT Vaneisa, Decent article but I don't think race, ethnicity or nationality has anything to do with the failure to include spinners in the starting 11. The fact that spinners get invited to camp shows that some consideration has been given to include them. Personally I beleive that our batting line up isn't as strong as the Aussies, the Indias, etc... so we cant afford to include a full time spinner who will contribute nothing to the batting. I dont believe we are confident enough to make that gamble, and the safest bet is to go with a pacer. I believe it is as simple as that..nothing to do with race or any of the other things you mentioned...Regionally Jamaica has a very strong team with batting all the way to 8 so they can use the a specialist spinner, Nikita Miller and two specialist pacer, Taylor and Powell and some mediums....think about it Jamaica can easliy add two more quickies in Jermaine Lawson and Andrew Richardson, but because the batting is deap we use a specialist spinner Posted by azaro on May 20 2008, 15:03 PM GMT Adding some strength to the spinning department would clearly improve the West Indies test side and provide a more competitive dimension. It also ensures longer rest periods for the quicks given the side is not packed with four anymore. However, the need is to help the spinners develop and it would seem some coaching emphasis is in order both for the spinners and their use by captains. The current crop neither have the variety in their armoury nor the ability to rip the ball, both required in a modern-day test spinner. The regional games hide these shortcomings in that (1) pitches are not always as flat as they are for test matches and (2) the batting abilty of many of the players falls way short and the result is cheap wickets for spinners. Add to that the tendency for West Indian captains to inhibit spinners in doing anything other than bowling negatively (remember poor Nagamootoo!) and certainly not allowing them to 'give it air'! Posted by michaus55 on May 20 2008, 13:45 PM GMT Clive LLoyd gave the spinners a game to win vs India, they literally dropped the ball. The success of the West Indies has always been based on good fast bowling. Except for Ram and Val and Gibbsy, we never had threatening spin bowlers. Dave Mohamed and co. aren't good enough to worry international batsmen. Haven't seen much of benn except for T20 games, nor have I seen the youngster fron T/dad. However, I say use what works. Posted by robbiegy2k on May 20 2008, 12:56 PM GMT Sorry duoaudshah but I must disagree with you, could you please name these pace bowlers that have been given a test here and there? Recent WI fast bowling attacks that spring to mind consist of such players as: Taylor/Powell/Edwards (all 20+ tests) then going back a bit you have the likes of Corey Collymore (30 tests) Pedro Collins (29 tests) Mervyn Dillon (38 tests) Nixon McLean played 19 tests and averaged 42! I fully agree with Vaneisa's article and I think the majority of cricket fans (WI or not) would point out the stubborn and tunnel vision views of the selectors/WICB on this subject is non-rewarding and has a slight whiff of nostalgia about it! Considering that all of the test playing countries now 9 times out of 10 play a frontline spinner (sometimes more for balance than playing conditions) would indicate that either the WICB know something the other boards don't or as is more likely they are just biased against giving spin bowlers a good run in the team. Posted by Dave10 on May 20 2008, 08:05 AM GMT This is not true ..... ....."If Shane Warne was living in the West Indies nobody would have heard of him. It took 15 Tests before he made any breakthrough."............... Warne took 7/52 in his fifth test Posted by ozcomment on May 20 2008, 03:22 AM GMT dear vaneisa, forgive me, i am technologically challenged, and have only just worked out how to reply to your articles. thank you for your fair comment, and highlighting such important issues. michael manley seems a long way away when one looks at the current state of west indies cricket. the team is important, as you imply, for all that can be done for developing a regional identity. let's hope that not just spinners of indian extraction, but all other of the carribean's many races and ethnic groupings develop and turn the west indies into a force again Posted by duoaudshah on May 20 2008, 02:27 AM GMT Find another argument and another solution...that one was a bit weak there in my view. I personally won't venture to suggest a solution, but I will keep thinking...and for now, lets see what the spinners offer and how we progress with this. Posted by duoaudshah on May 20 2008, 02:26 AM GMT Great article, but I believe the writer should also look at the other side of the coin and make a more fair comparison. In the past decade and a half, the same thing that has been done to spinners (one test here, another there), has been done to fast bowlers. For almost every spinner named that was barely given a chance, a fast bowler can also be named who was just given a short run. Admittedly, it takes time for the spinner to develop, but the same argument goes for fast bowlers, and batsmen. So...what exactly is the biased then? Its strange to me too that spinners perform so well in regionals, and just dont live up to that in the Test arena, while many pacers who were merely 'ok' in regionals, are now our leading bowlers (Taylor and Edwards)...it has to do with grabbing the opportunity with both hands and making the best of it. So many spinners have been tried, and even on flat pitches they have failed to impress...Lewis, Perry, Mohammed, Benn...and the list will keep on going. Posted by Jublees on May 20 2008, 01:15 AM GMT Every test side needs a quality spinner. Bowling on a 5th day wicket with rough emerging outside the batsman off stump. West Indies have a very poor side at the moment have done nothing since the 80's when they had the great pace attack. That kind of attack only comes around once in a lifetime. There was no need for a spinner back then as the pace guys were doing the job. Its now time West Indies cricket started encouraging spin bowling and look to produce a world class spinner. Without one they will continue to be a poor test side.
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