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Posted by tri400 on June 28 2008, 01:57 AM GMT The English Premier League does have relegation and promotion. So only the best teams play in the premier league. And obviously 2nd fiddle teams play in division 2. Which creates strong competition in the top division and that creates competitive players. India also has 2 divisions in their domestic cricket competition. If the ECB abolish their relegation and promotion system. That would make the next generation of players, quite uncompetitive. Thus making the national team a bunch of loosers again. Its a no brainer! Dont abolish relegation and promotion. Posted by Alexcoe on June 26 2008, 16:49 PM GMT By your analogy then the English football team should be be amongst the best in the world. Yet it is not. The three leagues system proposed by both Lord McLaurin and Duncan Fletcher in the past has other merits, notably increasing the number of competitive matches whilst decreasing the number of overall matches, making more room for international cricket in the calendar, and making more games more competitive and therefore increasing the pressure experienced by counties and their players. Given the longstanding feedback from Aus cricket regarding the lack of competitive hardness of county players, this can only be a good thing, no? Posted by NeilCameron on June 25 2008, 07:34 AM GMT Okay. Here's my 2 cents. If England were to replicate Australia / NZ / West Indies and pick their squad from 6 teams rather than 18, that would obviously increase the standard of play. However, if those 6 teams could also compete against 12 others that select their players from all over the world, that would increase the standard even more. So why not allow each County team to select 2/3 of its players from overseas, and 1/3 from England? It's essentially the same thing. It would be even easier if an entirely free market system was set up whereby Counties could hire players from anywhere in the world. England Cricket isn't so bad that England qualified players get ignored. Then go back to one division of 18 teams. Get them to play each other once in 4-day matches. Then break them into two arbitrary divisions to play half a season of 50-over matches and half a season of 20-20 matches and the top teams from each division play each other in a final for each limited over competition. Posted by Aizoon on June 24 2008, 20:27 PM GMT As a Gloucestershire member, may I say that I agree with the article. If we want to play with the big boys, we must improve our performance sufficiently to gain promotion. That is the whole point of the two-division system. When Bristol City FC were in the Third Division (or whatever silly name it currently had), no one at Ashton Gate demanded a conference structure for football. Last season the club was ninety minutes from the top level, by its own efforts, not by charity from the organisers. That is the challenge facing Glos CCC and all the other 'smaller' counties. Posted by ashwin_547 on June 24 2008, 17:03 PM GMT steve noted that there are too many county teams however i find it perfectly alright, if properly marketed and broadcasted around the world the current county t20 could be as big as the ipl and cricket is really viewed as an elitist sport in england and (excluding the subcontinent) all its former colonies. the idea is wrong i think there should be divisions - it creates more competition, winner from div 2 goes to div 1 and losers are relegated, it creates very healthy competition! and its useful, it is the same in international cricket and the world cricket league, anyways i probably was completely off topic! the league works the way it is, market it more and get bigger crowds, its poorly marketed unlike football so it wins all the time... Posted by Spigot_ on June 24 2008, 13:43 PM GMT If they want three divisions / groups / leagues then so be it, but why would those differences be random??? the promotion / relegation worked fine, so surely it could work in three divisions and not just two? Whilst there was a notion of locality in the divisions, south, north and mid/west/wales then there was a glimmer of logic, but if it was random then it's just laughable. Matching up with what drummo said above, this approach would be a way to streamline it by letting the top division get more funding and to allow a subset of first class teams to excel more than others *IF* that's what's best, which I think it might be. Make promotion and relegation a priveledge not a right (play offs between the sides who may swap divisions etc... at the start of the season, filling other teams times with the UCCE matches) Posted by steve_halsall on June 24 2008, 13:24 PM GMT The issue is that there are too many county cricket teams, which means that there are too many county cricket players. This means that by definition there are worse players playing in county cricket than in other countries. The problem that this causes comes from the nature of cricket. If a batsman has one international standard bowler to face at one end, and one lucky-to-get-a-game medium pacer at the other, he can choose to block against the good bowler while scoring against the poor bowler. This is no preparation for test cricket, where he is likely to have to score against good bowlers. The whole point of the division system is to try to get round this problem without actually eliminating nine counties. The better players are free to move counties, and they will want to play at the top level. This concentrates them in the top division, giving better preparation for the test arena. The proposal does away with this entirely, allowing again a too-wide spreading of talent. Posted by revo74 on June 24 2008, 12:01 PM GMT The NFL has 2 conferences each with 4 divisions. However the NBA and MLB both have 2 confernences with 3 divisions if this is what you meant. The USA compete in both these sports at international lvl, so national sides are picked. Posted by OliverChettle on June 24 2008, 11:50 AM GMT I would assume that drummo's line of thought is that England should be producing top class cricketers in the same ratio to population as Australia. If this happened England's population advantage would make it much better than Australia, and therefore dominant in world cricket for the timebeing. India should dominate in the long run, but at present its production of top cricketers per capita is among the worst of the test countries - only Bangladesh and Zimbabwe make less effective use of their pool of natural talent. Posted by classicpotter on June 24 2008, 09:08 AM GMT I agree with drummo - there are far too many county cricketers, most of which wouldn't have a hope in hell of playing first-class cricket in Australia. We need to streamline, as long as the ECB are able to impose a limit on overseas players. The signs are there that they might be able to ban the Kolpaks which will be a great start. Cutting the number of games will allow a reduced number of counties to hold a smaller fully professional squad and allow them to reward the best players better, giving a real incentive to work on your game and become an elite player. We would then have a group of 9 or 10 sides with 9 or 10 English qualified players in the side and these players would be the elite, playing highly competitive cricket and providing the England selectors with a large pool of prospective international players. Simple plan really...
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